[HSF] how others will see us[OT]

[Tea Acuff]

Thanks for the support, Don. 
However, I am seldom expecting consensus, and surely eschew authority for myself despite an odd world view. Sometimes I am just trying to see if the pony is still alive in the barn. That which we do not value dwarfs all that we do. No need to steal the beliefs from others, there are many more waiting their turn. If they don't believe me, may they just come back in a score or a hundred years and see for themselves what has lasted.
Cheers,
Tea 


----- Original Message ----
From: Donald Ross <donross at bigpond.com>
To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 7:14:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HSF] how others will see us[OT]


Get of his back you guys.
  He is only answering the recalcitrant Hal in the only language he  
occasionally understands.
And by the way Hal, where is your evidence based data for correcting  
TR whenever it is present during mitral surgery?
I hasten to add that I agree with the tenet but like a better brain  
after anaortic opcab the proof is difficult.
Don
On 06/12/2006, at 8:39 AM, <ebender001 at charter.net>  
<ebender001 at charter.net> wrote:

> It has suddenly all become clear.  I think Tea is actually Hunter  
> S. Thompson reincarnate.  This sounds like "Gonzo" science and  
> medicine at its best.  Fear and Loathing in the OR?
>
> Ed Bender, MD
>
>
> ---- Tea Acuff <tacuff at swbell.net> wrote:
>> Hal,
>
> For a moment there I thought that you said "along the same lies".
>
> I don't think you should get off that easily. I quoted a paper  
> that  reviewed 41 RCTs that showed that there was less stroke off  
> pump than on pump. I SHOWED YOU A PAPER SO EITHER DO OFF PUMP OR  
> STOP ASKING FOR EVIDENCE!
>
> To paraphrase Richard Feynman who was talking about energy:  
> Evidence is a very subtle subject. (Those that haven't read  
> Feynman, an eccentric physicist, I recommend "Surely you are  
> kidding Mr. Feynman!")
>
> Don't take this criticism personally, Hal. This problem with  
> evidence has been going on for a long, long time.
>
> To whit:
> John Hunter's epitaph declared him "Founder of Scientific Surgery"  
> given by the Royal College of Surgeons in 1859. However, Hunter  
> died in 1793 and the Chamber of Surgeons, which changed its name in  
> 1830's to the Royal College of Surgeons, had almost nothing to do  
> with and were contentious to John Hunter during his life (and  
> especially visa versa). In 1860's, Claude Bernard was the Father of  
> experimental medicine, but The Flexner Report 1920's in the US  
> changed  the structure of medical training and led to the term  
> "resident". Even now we are in the Age of EBM as medical  
> authorities try to reassert their control over us "waywards" who  
> eschew the now evident "evidence" such as smoking cessation  
> counseling and universal protocols for the "singular" diagnosis of  
> CHF. Yes, Hal, evidence is a very subtle subject. I have some  
> thoughts on the "scientific" basis of this conundrum, but I am  
> running out of paragraphs and can feel the "deletes" coming.
> (Is this another "rant", Bill?)
>
> The problem is I have been reading again, and, as all can tell from  
> the details of which I would otherwise be totally ignorant, it is  
> not good. I function much better, as seemingly do most of you,  
> including Hal, when I am not confused with new facts. Just as I  
> either accept (understand?) the present status or shield myself  
> from its implications, I wander into new ways of looking at things  
> and I fall off the wagon again.
> tea
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Hgrmd at aol.com" <Hgrmd at aol.com>
> To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 6:28:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [HSF] how others will see us
>
>
> Don,
>   Sounds like the two of us are thinking along the same lines.
> Hal
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