[HSF] CVICU Nurses

[Nasser F. Abou'Seada]

Dear Mich, 
Dear Gabi:
I do concur with your views ... and words ... from across the Atlantic ...
and the Mediterranean .... 

NFA

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> From: openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com [mailto:openheart-l-
> bounces at lists.hsforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Firstenberg
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:00 AM
> To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
> Subject: Re: [HSF] CVICU Nurses
> 
> Gabi
> I mean this only in terms of the highest respect and dedication that
> you are obviously devoted to your profession.  Much like many of the
> surgeons who hang out on this forum, you are a dying breed of people
> committed to the highest values of your calling.  Unfortunately, and
> my guess being in the nursing trenches, you probably agree that what
> we are seeing more of with young doctors you probably are seeing in
> young nurses.  It is a job - shift work, too much partying the night
> before = call in sick, little interest in learning and improving from
> masters (such as yourself!), just polishing the skills to transition
> to NP or CRNA school, a great industry job, or administration (heaven
> forbid a MBA).  Nursing has become (from what I have seen at a couple
> of large hospitals recently) a dog eat dog world.  Many of the more
> seasoned nurses are harder on their younger colleagues than some of
> the physicians (whom are often afraid themselves of the consequences
> of pissing off the nursing staff) - is it deserved?  Not sure as I
> try to stay away.
> I am sure any of the surgeons on this list, based upon your comments
> over the years, would welcome the opportunity to have you as a
> colleague in taking care of patients.
> We are constantly talking about the issues with the physician aspects
> of cardiothoracic surgery - now it is your turn to express your views
> on CT nursing.  Let's hear it!  Go ahead and vent or praise - worse
> comes to worse, you will end up mud wrestling Hal or Tea.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:16 AM, gabi ford wrote:
> 
> >> From: "Michael Firstenberg" <msfirst at gmail.com>
> >> wham, as soon as they graduate are given CT-ICU positions.
> >
> > This is possible with extensive on-the-job-training and
> > supervision.  We have a few nurses taken into our ICU who worked
> > their last year of nursing school in the ICU as a sort of "training
> > nurse". Then, when they graduate from nursing school, they have had
> > one year of practical learning.
> >
> > If they don't give these new ones a lot of training, they will have
> > big problems.  They will end up with nurses who have no idea how
> > much they don't know.
> >
> >> Then, after a
> >> couple of months, they are precepting "young nurses" themselves
> >
> > I don't think this is really true, is it?  :)  I haven't seen
> > anything like that.
> >
> >> (the really
> >> good ones go on to CRNA or NP school).
> >
> > Oh, they do?
> > :(
> >
> > Gabi
> >
> >
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