[HSF] Current Requirements for the ABTS

[Michael Firstenberg]

oh yes - and you old guys had to walk up hill both ways in the snow,  
barefoot, to the hospital.  All kidding aside, lets not forget the  
recent current equation:
4 years medical school +
5 years general surgery residency +
2 years research +
2-3 years CT surgery fellowship +
1 year "super fellowship"
multiplied by
lots-o-debt
=
no jobs/low salaries/malpractice (Hal am I missing anything?)

what is the answer?  dont know, but no one is dealing with it.

but that is the american training system that is getting ragged on......
what about some of the International systems?
I have, in my training, worked with a bunch of international "surgeons"
    and yes, some are excellent - but some cant even tie their shoes  
(let alone
    manage to figure out which one goes on which foot)

we seem to have this exchange every couple of months

michael


On Oct 22, 2006, at 3:29 AM, psimha wrote:

> How will a "general surgical -less trainee" if I may use the word  
> do a thoacoabdominal aneurysm or handle major vascular trauma in  
> the abdomen ?
> Prasanna
> Hgrmd at aol.com wrote:
>> Prasanna,
>>   Their biologic Bentall was a composite graft composed of a   
>> stented aortic valve sewn to a Henashield graft.  The graft was  
>> 5-7mm  larger than the valve.
>>   Our board consist of a written exam.  Once you pass that, you   
>> have an oral exam a few months later.  It is similar in format to  
>> the  general surgery boards, which are prerequisite to taking the  
>> CT boards.  I  understand ABTS is or will eliminate the  
>> requirement that the candidate already  be boarded in general  
>> surgery, since it is generally thought that pathway is too   
>> difficult and discouraging for today's wimpy trainees.  If so,  
>> along with  the federally mandated 60 hr work week, I firmly  
>> believe "they don't make them  like they used to."
>> Hal
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