[HSF] "Patients don't want cardiopulmonary bypass" - the great con

[Tea Acuff]

Not me. Actually I learned to anastomoses doing primary arteriovenous fistulae, about 100 as matter of fact. Learned to coronaries both on and off pump on humans.

tea


----- Original Message ----
From: gustavo abuin <gabuin at intramed.net>
To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:36:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HSF] "Patients don't want cardiopulmonary bypass" - the great con

How many of the members of the forum have practice opcab in animals before 
human opcab surgery?
This is the real problem.
We have no time to go a step down and then two or three up.
We, like surgeons we are, have the "superbia anima" and are reluctant to 
make some animal practice.
If ALL of the cardiovascular surgeons perform a hundred of opcab-animal 
anastomosis I`m sure that this controversy of opcab vs oncab will 
dissappear.
The two methods of revascularization are excellent when performed in an 
excellent way.
Complete-adecuate revascularization.
No ischaemia.
No patience, but precise and good bites of tissue.
The learning curve MUST be performed in animals as a first time.
Pigs, dogs, sheeps, mother in law, every kind of animal you can or wish to 
make some practice with the specific guidelines of animal humanitary care.
Returning to the question.
How many surgeons of the forum have some practice in animal-opcab?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wftjrtyler at aol.com>
To: <OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [HSF] "Patients don't want cardiopulmonary bypass" - the great 
con


>
> In a message dated 12/23/2007 11:57:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> prasannasimha at gmail.com writes:
>
> These  surgeries (Mitral valve repairs and OPCAB) are an "exercise in
> patience". I  have seen consistently that the "fastest" surgeons are the 
> ones
> who cannot  or will not do OPCAB and many a time think it is due to simple
> lack of  patience which becomes their biggest enemy. After training in a 
> fill
>
>
>
> Excellent post,Prasanna.  I would also add "perserverance" as the 
> learning
> curve for some of us is (was?) steep.    bill  turner
>
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