[HSF] Re: [HSF ] OPCAB pitfall

[prasannasimha]

I remember reading an article about the hypercoaguble state following 
sternotomy and also by GA adn Horrors of Horrors (courtesy Hal) 
attenuated by Epidural anesthesia can't get hold of it now.
Prasanna
Ben Bidstrup wrote:
> The rationale is (prior to the suggestion that there was a potential 
> hypercoagulable state after OPCAB) that there is not the foreign 
> surface activation seen with CPB. This is a powerful stimulus for 
> activation not only via the extrinsic cascade but also the intrinsic. 
> Evidence of this is multitudinous - raised levels of F1.2 and TAT 
> during CPB as I and others have shown.
> Without that stimulus, and short periods of stasis in the coronary 
> alone would in theory cause less problem. But for some reason that is 
> not the case.
> Does so called full dose create problems. In its own right  - no. It 
> has a short half life  1 hour or so, so after 2-3 hours, it will be 
> effectively all gone even if not reversed. Have you ever seen a 
> patient start bleeding after giving the heparin?
> OPCAB is more than meets the eye. Poston and his colleagues have shown 
> by measuring  trans cardiac generation of coagulation that there is a 
> local hypercoagulable state. There may also be changes in runoff, not 
> always measurable by flow measurements over time  which can also 
> contribute to graft occlusion.
> The ACT will tell if there is inhibition of clot formation. The actual 
> number will depend on the  test you are using. They were not all 
> created equal. But most accept > 200 seconds as being adequate (250  
> is possibly better). That is still a large dose of heparin. Most 
> vascular surgeons just use 10000 units and do not always measure ACT.
>
>
>
>
>> Nand
>>
>> What is the logic for using half dose heparin - I have never quite 
>> understood it? Also what is the scientific basi for such a practice? 
>> I believe it spins from vascular surgery but they are using much 
>> bigger tubes. How do you control for adequate anticoagulation (what 
>> ACT etc?). What do you see as the disadvantage of 'full' heparinization?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ani
>>   ----- Original Message -----
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>>
>>   He also gave half dose heparin.
>>
>>   Ani
>>
>>   I use half dose dose heparin and do nor reverse unless bleeding is 
>> a problem
>>   in ICU. Do all OPCAB surgeons use full dose (3-4mg/kg) heparin ?
>>
>>   nand
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