[HSF] Paper Journals in an Internet age.

Giuseppe Rescigno grescigno at mac.com
Mon Jan 1 09:51:22 EST 2007 

I agree that the paper journals are actually useless. So why I have to pay more than 300 dollars to get the JTCVS in Italy? I think that there should be a different subscription rate if you prefer to have access to the Journal just by the internet. We are wasting a lot of paper (trees), airplane fuel etc. It would be interesting to present this idea to the Editor as a HSF group. 

Giuseppe



Giuseppe Rescigno M.D.
Cardiothoracic Surgeon

Lancisi Hospital
Torrette - Ancona
Italy


 
On Monday, January 01, 2007, at 04:08PM, "prasannasimha" <prasannasimha at gmail.com> wrote:
>Add to the list
>French correction by Carpentier
>Cleveland Clinics IMA paper.
>
>Now who can get hold an scan me Gibbon's paper ?????
>That is one of the most  difficult to get your hands on !!
>A nondescript unheard of before journal !!!
>Prasanna
>Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>> Prasanna -
>>
>> That would be great!
>> We clearly need something like "Most Important Papers....."
>> Not sure what the copyright issues would be, but would be nice to post 
>> them on the Wiki (or some other source?)
>>
>> GET TO WORK on scanning!
>> Or you could just tease us - like one per week and we can have an old 
>> fashion journal club discussion on each one - like why it was so 
>> important and how things have change - like they say about those that 
>> dont learn from their past.
>>
>> I have a senior surgeon/mentor at work who does not operate anymore - 
>> more of a father figure to us all - and I want his help on a similar 
>> project.
>>
>>
>> -michael
>> On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:16 AM, prasannasimha wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to do some but have to get the time and teh Mood !! If 
>>> some one can send me some of these important ones like Gibbon's 
>>> original paper which was impossible for me to get hands on we could 
>>> make one large collection of the "Most Important papers in Cardiac 
>>> surgery".
>>> If we could agree to a list of 50 most important papers we could try 
>>> to collect them and make them into one large PDF with a brief write 
>>> up of them and why they were so important.
>>> For starters
>>> Alexis Carrel's vascular suture paper.
>>> Jay Macleans paper on Heparin
>>> Gibbons' original paper
>>> Bigelow's work on hypothermia with ennis first clinical attempt.
>>> Andreas and Watson's controlled cross circulation (Paper I never got 
>>> to see)
>>> Lillehei's controlled cross circulation.
>>> Kirklin's initial series.
>>> Bharati and Lev's paper on the conduction system in relation to VSD's
>>> Jatenes original paper on the arterial switch
>>> Fontan's original paper
>>> Zuhdi et al  paper on hemodilution with the paper by Cooley added to it.
>>> Castaneda's paper on neonatal correction.
>>> Horiuchi's paper of circulatory arrest with the subsequent paper by 
>>> Barret Boyes.
>>> Debakey and Cooley's paper on aortic arch aneurysm's
>>> Laks stitch for controllable ASD
>>> Kantrowitz's paper on IABP.
>>>
>>> That is an initial list off hand.
>>>
>>> Prasanna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>>>> Ahhh, those where the days - I remember using some online reference 
>>>> systems and thinking wow, this is great.
>>>>
>>>> Prasanna - what would it take to get some copies of some of those 
>>>> early papers?  (ie scanned PDFs?)
>>>>
>>>> -michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:00 AM, prasannasimha wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For me it is very plain and simple. If I were to subscribe to ATS, 
>>>>> JTCVS and EJTCVS, I would have to spend nearly Rs 10,000/= approx 
>>>>> per month and that is impossible for me. So I rely on the Hospital 
>>>>> Library which gets journals at its own time depending on 
>>>>> subscriptions and vagaries of airmail. We have a thing called 
>>>>> Helinet.This is a system where our hospital subscribes via our 
>>>>> Health university (we have a single university for all medical 
>>>>> colleges in Karnataka state) to an Internet based service called 
>>>>> HELINET through which we can access certain journals via things 
>>>>> like science direct , Ovid etc but unfortunately the only cardiac 
>>>>> surgery journal is ATS and that too its payment (and hence access) 
>>>>> is a bit erratic. I usually get articles of interest via many kind 
>>>>> souls who send them over to me when I ask via email and I 
>>>>> acknowledge their altruism in helping me out. There are many 
>>>>> journals that are free after varying amounts of time. I can get 
>>>>> access say after 6 months or a year and some are free access for 
>>>>> India (for Eg Lancet / NEJM etc). Unfortunately the free access 
>>>>> system (after a period of time) does not exist for cardiac surgical 
>>>>> journals except a couple.
>>>>> The whole process of journal writing etc are to allow dissemination 
>>>>> of Knowledge and I cannot see why it has to be locked down after 
>>>>> say 6 months or a year. I appreciate that journal publishing 
>>>>> companies have to make profits but they should allow free access at 
>>>>> least after some time. The contributors and editors have done it 
>>>>> for gratis and they should allow access after some time. This would 
>>>>> increase the journal's prestige and impact factor anyway.
>>>>> All I have is a few old dusty copies of some earth shaking articles 
>>>>> for eg Lillehei's original cross circulation paper and Hillel Laks 
>>>>> "Laks suture" (fenestrated ASD for Fontan's) etc. I hold on to these.
>>>>> Then there is a thing called Amedeo which sends interesting 
>>>>> articles (the titles and links to PUBMED) weekly which I find 
>>>>> useful and PUBMED is great for doing literature searches.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember taking around 50 disks of Silver Platter and searching 
>>>>> Index Medicus or worse the huge bound Journals of Index Medicus 
>>>>> that I had to wade through when I did my MS(Gen surg) and 
>>>>> MCh(Thoracic) degrees. I had to wear a mask and cap while I 
>>>>> rummaged through all those books. My MS thesis was on gall stones 
>>>>> and since I read every reference that I quoted, I was searching in 
>>>>> the really old archived section of Grant Medical College (which is 
>>>>> around 170 years old and so had most of the really old journals). 
>>>>> Since photocopying was not very prevalent and expensive , most of 
>>>>> these used to be read and the article summarized in a note book.I 
>>>>> used to have a carbon paper copy of each page while writing. 
>>>>> Writing a thesis was actually involving cut and paste (we used to 
>>>>> write it in sections and then actually cut out portions and paste 
>>>>> them on sheets) -I still remember Jimmy Carter getting one of the 
>>>>> original word processors (basically what we could call as an 
>>>>> electronic typewriter) and when I saw my first one. I said Wow it 
>>>>> can justify edges and we can correct the lines prior to typing 
>>>>> using a preview option. My first thesis was written when I was 
>>>>> doing my MBBS  - (I had got a research grant as a first year 
>>>>> medical student - a rare thing in India those days) and typing on a 
>>>>> manual typewriter was such a pain and getting some one to type who 
>>>>> could understand medical terminology was a bigger pain !! At that 
>>>>> time photocopying was such a laborious process (I am sure many 
>>>>> would remember the old manual photocopiers involving a frame with 
>>>>> toner that used to be shaked and the margins of the photocopier 
>>>>> surface had to be wiped etc) Writing it down was easier !!
>>>>> The final indexing was a tremendous pain invovling flash cards and 
>>>>> indexing cards !!
>>>>> Today we can do it all in a click of a button !!!
>>>>> Dr Frater could probably tell about his tribulations  in his time !!
>>>>> Prasanna
>>>>> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>>>>>> I used to like the idea of entire bookselves filled with Journals 
>>>>>> - now they just take up tons of space.  Since, for the most part 
>>>>>> the internet and PDF access (at least to recent stuff) is easy - 
>>>>>> does anyone keep this stuff anymore?  if so why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I just being sentimental for the old days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR to all
>>>>>>
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