[HSF] Paper Journals in an Internet age.

Tea Acuff tacuff at swbell.net
Tue Jan 2 08:45:07 EST 2007 

Prasanna wrote:

The whole process of journal writing etc are to allow dissemination of 
Knowledge and I cannot see why it has to be locked down after say 6 
months or a year. I appreciate that journal publishing companies have to 
make profits but they should allow free access at least after some time. 
The contributors and editors have done it for gratis and they should 
allow access after some time. 

You might as well be talking religion, Prassana. I see only myth. Perhaps a pausible one, but the fabric of ideas is much richer than single minded hyperbole.  
Tea


----- Original Message ----
From: prasannasimha <prasannasimha at gmail.com>
To: "OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com" <OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com>
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2007 8:24:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HSF] Paper Journals in an Internet age.


Also most importantly Rehn's paper on the first successful attempt at 
cardiac suture.
Prasanna

prasannasimha wrote:
> I am trying to do some but have to get the time and teh Mood !! If 
> some one can send me some of these important ones like Gibbon's 
> original paper which was impossible for me to get hands on we could 
> make one large collection of the "Most Important papers in Cardiac 
> surgery".
> If we could agree to a list of 50 most important papers we could try 
> to collect them and make them into one large PDF with a brief write up 
> of them and why they were so important.
> For starters
> Alexis Carrel's vascular suture paper.
> Jay Macleans paper on Heparin
> Gibbons' original paper
> Bigelow's work on hypothermia with ennis first clinical attempt.
> Andreas and Watson's controlled cross circulation (Paper I never got 
> to see)
> Lillehei's controlled cross circulation.
> Kirklin's initial series.
> Bharati and Lev's paper on the conduction system in relation to VSD's
> Jatenes original paper on the arterial switch
> Fontan's original paper
> Zuhdi et al  paper on hemodilution with the paper by Cooley added to it.
> Castaneda's paper on neonatal correction.
> Horiuchi's paper of circulatory arrest with the subsequent paper by 
> Barret Boyes.
> Debakey and Cooley's paper on aortic arch aneurysm's
> Laks stitch for controllable ASD
> Kantrowitz's paper on IABP.
>
> That is an initial list off hand.
>
> Prasanna
>
>
>
>
> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>> Ahhh, those where the days - I remember using some online reference 
>> systems and thinking wow, this is great.
>>
>> Prasanna - what would it take to get some copies of some of those 
>> early papers?  (ie scanned PDFs?)
>>
>> -michael
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:00 AM, prasannasimha wrote:
>>
>>> For me it is very plain and simple. If I were to subscribe to ATS, 
>>> JTCVS and EJTCVS, I would have to spend nearly Rs 10,000/= approx 
>>> per month and that is impossible for me. So I rely on the Hospital 
>>> Library which gets journals at its own time depending on 
>>> subscriptions and vagaries of airmail. We have a thing called 
>>> Helinet.This is a system where our hospital subscribes via our 
>>> Health university (we have a single university for all medical 
>>> colleges in Karnataka state) to an Internet based service called 
>>> HELINET through which we can access certain journals via things like 
>>> science direct , Ovid etc but unfortunately the only cardiac surgery 
>>> journal is ATS and that too its payment (and hence access) is a bit 
>>> erratic. I usually get articles of interest via many kind souls who 
>>> send them over to me when I ask via email and I acknowledge their 
>>> altruism in helping me out. There are many journals that are free 
>>> after varying amounts of time. I can get access say after 6 months 
>>> or a year and some are free access for India (for Eg Lancet / NEJM 
>>> etc). Unfortunately the free access system (after a period of time) 
>>> does not exist for cardiac surgical journals except a couple.
>>> The whole process of journal writing etc are to allow dissemination 
>>> of Knowledge and I cannot see why it has to be locked down after say 
>>> 6 months or a year. I appreciate that journal publishing companies 
>>> have to make profits but they should allow free access at least 
>>> after some time. The contributors and editors have done it for 
>>> gratis and they should allow access after some time. This would 
>>> increase the journal's prestige and impact factor anyway.
>>> All I have is a few old dusty copies of some earth shaking articles 
>>> for eg Lillehei's original cross circulation paper and Hillel Laks 
>>> "Laks suture" (fenestrated ASD for Fontan's) etc. I hold on to these.
>>> Then there is a thing called Amedeo which sends interesting articles 
>>> (the titles and links to PUBMED) weekly which I find useful and 
>>> PUBMED is great for doing literature searches.
>>>
>>> I remember taking around 50 disks of Silver Platter and searching 
>>> Index Medicus or worse the huge bound Journals of Index Medicus that 
>>> I had to wade through when I did my MS(Gen surg) and MCh(Thoracic) 
>>> degrees. I had to wear a mask and cap while I rummaged through all 
>>> those books. My MS thesis was on gall stones and since I read every 
>>> reference that I quoted, I was searching in the really old archived 
>>> section of Grant Medical College (which is around 170 years old and 
>>> so had most of the really old journals). Since photocopying was not 
>>> very prevalent and expensive , most of these used to be read and the 
>>> article summarized in a note book.I used to have a carbon paper copy 
>>> of each page while writing. Writing a thesis was actually involving 
>>> cut and paste (we used to write it in sections and then actually cut 
>>> out portions and paste them on sheets) -I still remember Jimmy 
>>> Carter getting one of the original word processors (basically what 
>>> we could call as an electronic typewriter) and when I saw my first 
>>> one. I said Wow it can justify edges and we can correct the lines 
>>> prior to typing using a preview option. My first thesis was written 
>>> when I was doing my MBBS  - (I had got a research grant as a first 
>>> year medical student - a rare thing in India those days) and typing 
>>> on a manual typewriter was such a pain and getting some one to type 
>>> who could understand medical terminology was a bigger pain !! At 
>>> that time photocopying was such a laborious process (I am sure many 
>>> would remember the old manual photocopiers involving a frame with 
>>> toner that used to be shaked and the margins of the photocopier 
>>> surface had to be wiped etc) Writing it down was easier !!
>>> The final indexing was a tremendous pain invovling flash cards and 
>>> indexing cards !!
>>> Today we can do it all in a click of a button !!!
>>> Dr Frater could probably tell about his tribulations  in his time !!
>>> Prasanna
>>> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>>>> I used to like the idea of entire bookselves filled with Journals - 
>>>> now they just take up tons of space.  Since, for the most part the 
>>>> internet and PDF access (at least to recent stuff) is easy - does 
>>>> anyone keep this stuff anymore?  if so why?
>>>>
>>>> Am I just being sentimental for the old days?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR to all
>>>>
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