[HSF] Paper Journals in an Internet age.

Tue Jan 2 22:22:21 EST 2007

Tea, I just did not understand what you said.
Prasanna
Tea Acuff wrote:
> Prasanna wrote:
>
> The whole process of journal writing etc are to allow dissemination of 
> Knowledge and I cannot see why it has to be locked down after say 6 
> months or a year. I appreciate that journal publishing companies have to 
> make profits but they should allow free access at least after some time. 
> The contributors and editors have done it for gratis and they should 
> allow access after some time. 
>
> You might as well be talking religion, Prassana. I see only myth. Perhaps a pausible one, but the fabric of ideas is much richer than single minded hyperbole.  
> Tea
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: prasannasimha <prasannasimha at gmail.com>
> To: "OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com" <OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 1, 2007 8:24:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [HSF] Paper Journals in an Internet age.
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>
> Also most importantly Rehn's paper on the first successful attempt at 
> cardiac suture.
> Prasanna
>
> prasannasimha wrote:
>   
>> I am trying to do some but have to get the time and teh Mood !! If 
>> some one can send me some of these important ones like Gibbon's 
>> original paper which was impossible for me to get hands on we could 
>> make one large collection of the "Most Important papers in Cardiac 
>> surgery".
>> If we could agree to a list of 50 most important papers we could try 
>> to collect them and make them into one large PDF with a brief write up 
>> of them and why they were so important.
>> For starters
>> Alexis Carrel's vascular suture paper.
>> Jay Macleans paper on Heparin
>> Gibbons' original paper
>> Bigelow's work on hypothermia with ennis first clinical attempt.
>> Andreas and Watson's controlled cross circulation (Paper I never got 
>> to see)
>> Lillehei's controlled cross circulation.
>> Kirklin's initial series.
>> Bharati and Lev's paper on the conduction system in relation to VSD's
>> Jatenes original paper on the arterial switch
>> Fontan's original paper
>> Zuhdi et al  paper on hemodilution with the paper by Cooley added to it.
>> Castaneda's paper on neonatal correction.
>> Horiuchi's paper of circulatory arrest with the subsequent paper by 
>> Barret Boyes.
>> Debakey and Cooley's paper on aortic arch aneurysm's
>> Laks stitch for controllable ASD
>> Kantrowitz's paper on IABP.
>>
>> That is an initial list off hand.
>>
>> Prasanna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>>     
>>> Ahhh, those where the days - I remember using some online reference 
>>> systems and thinking wow, this is great.
>>>
>>> Prasanna - what would it take to get some copies of some of those 
>>> early papers?  (ie scanned PDFs?)
>>>
>>> -michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:00 AM, prasannasimha wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> For me it is very plain and simple. If I were to subscribe to ATS, 
>>>> JTCVS and EJTCVS, I would have to spend nearly Rs 10,000/= approx 
>>>> per month and that is impossible for me. So I rely on the Hospital 
>>>> Library which gets journals at its own time depending on 
>>>> subscriptions and vagaries of airmail. We have a thing called 
>>>> Helinet.This is a system where our hospital subscribes via our 
>>>> Health university (we have a single university for all medical 
>>>> colleges in Karnataka state) to an Internet based service called 
>>>> HELINET through which we can access certain journals via things like 
>>>> science direct , Ovid etc but unfortunately the only cardiac surgery 
>>>> journal is ATS and that too its payment (and hence access) is a bit 
>>>> erratic. I usually get articles of interest via many kind souls who 
>>>> send them over to me when I ask via email and I acknowledge their 
>>>> altruism in helping me out. There are many journals that are free 
>>>> after varying amounts of time. I can get access say after 6 months 
>>>> or a year and some are free access for India (for Eg Lancet / NEJM 
>>>> etc). Unfortunately the free access system (after a period of time) 
>>>> does not exist for cardiac surgical journals except a couple.
>>>> The whole process of journal writing etc are to allow dissemination 
>>>> of Knowledge and I cannot see why it has to be locked down after say 
>>>> 6 months or a year. I appreciate that journal publishing companies 
>>>> have to make profits but they should allow free access at least 
>>>> after some time. The contributors and editors have done it for 
>>>> gratis and they should allow access after some time. This would 
>>>> increase the journal's prestige and impact factor anyway.
>>>> All I have is a few old dusty copies of some earth shaking articles 
>>>> for eg Lillehei's original cross circulation paper and Hillel Laks 
>>>> "Laks suture" (fenestrated ASD for Fontan's) etc. I hold on to these.
>>>> Then there is a thing called Amedeo which sends interesting articles 
>>>> (the titles and links to PUBMED) weekly which I find useful and 
>>>> PUBMED is great for doing literature searches.
>>>>
>>>> I remember taking around 50 disks of Silver Platter and searching 
>>>> Index Medicus or worse the huge bound Journals of Index Medicus that 
>>>> I had to wade through when I did my MS(Gen surg) and MCh(Thoracic) 
>>>> degrees. I had to wear a mask and cap while I rummaged through all 
>>>> those books. My MS thesis was on gall stones and since I read every 
>>>> reference that I quoted, I was searching in the really old archived 
>>>> section of Grant Medical College (which is around 170 years old and 
>>>> so had most of the really old journals). Since photocopying was not 
>>>> very prevalent and expensive , most of these used to be read and the 
>>>> article summarized in a note book.I used to have a carbon paper copy 
>>>> of each page while writing. Writing a thesis was actually involving 
>>>> cut and paste (we used to write it in sections and then actually cut 
>>>> out portions and paste them on sheets) -I still remember Jimmy 
>>>> Carter getting one of the original word processors (basically what 
>>>> we could call as an electronic typewriter) and when I saw my first 
>>>> one. I said Wow it can justify edges and we can correct the lines 
>>>> prior to typing using a preview option. My first thesis was written 
>>>> when I was doing my MBBS  - (I had got a research grant as a first 
>>>> year medical student - a rare thing in India those days) and typing 
>>>> on a manual typewriter was such a pain and getting some one to type 
>>>> who could understand medical terminology was a bigger pain !! At 
>>>> that time photocopying was such a laborious process (I am sure many 
>>>> would remember the old manual photocopiers involving a frame with 
>>>> toner that used to be shaked and the margins of the photocopier 
>>>> surface had to be wiped etc) Writing it down was easier !!
>>>> The final indexing was a tremendous pain invovling flash cards and 
>>>> indexing cards !!
>>>> Today we can do it all in a click of a button !!!
>>>> Dr Frater could probably tell about his tribulations  in his time !!
>>>> Prasanna
>>>> Michael Firstenberg wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I used to like the idea of entire bookselves filled with Journals - 
>>>>> now they just take up tons of space.  Since, for the most part the 
>>>>> internet and PDF access (at least to recent stuff) is easy - does 
>>>>> anyone keep this stuff anymore?  if so why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I just being sentimental for the old days?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR to all
>>>>>
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