[HSF] double negatives

[Edward Bender]

Just because an event occurs (Jihadist doctors blowing up cars, Nazi  
doctors eliminating "inferiors"), does not presuppose that the rest  
of the world should take this in stride.  Society has a right to  
express outrage and/or disappointment and/or shock(and awe?) at  
incongruous situations such as your "killing healers."  Nor do I  
think we have to descend to a Critique of Pure Reason to make  
ourselves feel better or worse for an event that should not have  
occurred.  I do indeed believe that I along with the rest of the  
world have "unsolvable flaws" and that no two events or patients are  
exactly the same.  That does not, however, prevent me from drawing  
inferences.  Now those inferences may end up being incorrect today  
and maybe even tomorrow, but the only other alternatives lead to  
paralysis in thought and action.

Ed Bender, MD


On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Tea Acuff wrote:

> I was not intentionally ambiguous, but I was trying to be both  
> succinct and narrow in my point. Michael touched one point and went  
> flowing down a different stream. You stopped on perhaps another  
> rock and looked for directions.
>
> Unfortunately meaning cannot be placed into specific positions on a  
> spread sheet. When one pushes beyond noting specific things or  
> events (Kant's ding an sich) and beyond the assumption that my  
> three vessel patient is exactly the same as your patient, to the  
> patterns and powers that hold nature and us with it together, we  
> quickly note that logic and position alone (a type of Newtonian  
> reduction) do not suffice to follow to new ideas or even as one  
> skips from one effect to the next. By our standard and preferred  
> way of thinking meaning (and its sense of value) does not exist  
> except by inference which is, critically speaking, subjective,  
> malleable, and largely unreal. As demonstrated by this confused  
> concept of "killing healers", we often import meaning from one  
> space to another. We all know those that seem to be of two minds  
> and two languages: one scientific and the other meaningful (eg  
> religious, political, etc.) perhaps including ourselves. My  
> contention is that we over
>  sell the use of our rational (reductionist) thought to include all  
> proper actions, but ignore the fact that our method has unsolvable  
> flaws, unexpressed assumptions, and actually totally dismisses  
> access to meaning. This is why I think we are in need of new ways  
> of thinking about evidence and reality in medicine. If Dr. Novick  
> can be an entrepreneurial example to the world, why can't we in  
> medicine be an example to more complete ways of thinking? We  
> actually study humans and their responses do we not? Does it matter  
> that we look more at the heart than the brain? I know that this is  
> why I am in medicine. It is my window for the study of meaning and  
> that which is most real.
>
> tea
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ani Anyanwu <anianyanwu at hotmail.com>
> To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 10:42:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [HSF] double negatives
>
>
> ???
>
> Can you please translate into English Tea. I presume the ambiguity  
> is intended but at least let us know what you are really saying.
>
> Ani
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tea Acuff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:38 AM
> To: OpenHeart-L
> Subject: [HSF] double negatives
>
> Speaking of double negatives has anyone noted the sense of  
> incredulity in the reports on the Muslim doctors in the UK who  
> played a part in the terrorist attacks. This is from the same media  
> sources that usually talk of our (as physicians) failures,  
> negligence, and greed. The concept of killing healers is really a  
> contradiction deep in the psyche of the West despite its mouth  
> piece preference for jaded pseudo sophistication.
>
> tea
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