[HSF] Ahh, the Holiday Transfer. Would anyone do anything different?

Sun Nov 25 23:51:45 EST 2007

Did you ever consider treating him medically? I am a really agressive surgeon when it comes to aortic stuff, but the mortality in this situation, particularly if he had had mediatinitis previously is really high. We have treated several pts in the last yr with medical management in the face of acute type 1 dissections and so far have done ok. Of the 3, one came back with severe AI and CHF, several months later, was operated on electively and did fine. One has Ossler Weber Rendeau syndrome and bleeds profusely from every mucosal surface if you look at him wrong and is now almost a yr out and is doing ok. The third died of multi organ failure that was present on admission.
I don't have the reference, but the use of medical management in selected cases is a viable option. Otherwise without being there it is hard to say what I would have done differently.

Tom Martin
U of Florida
Gainesville

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Firstenberg <msfirst at gmail.com>
To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
Sent: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: [HSF] Ahh, the Holiday Transfer. Would anyone do anything different?

though about a left chest tube -?
didnt get into the space on opening and was a little scared with the IMA to go looking?
he was huge and they didnt see an effusion on tee - but hard to tell.......?
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thought about leaving his chest open - but didnt - dont have a good answer, other than his hemodynamics didnt change too much (well other than the arrest) and I watch him for a while. Took a while to get the chest closed.?
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Oh, did I mention they treated him for several weeks after his surgery for "wound infection"..... no other details on that one.......?
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-m?
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that why I get the "big bucks"......here at OSU, I get paid in buckeyes......(and the occasional football tickets)?
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On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:12 PM, hgrmd at aol.com wrote:?
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> Michael,?
> ? We've all been there.? Going back in at 2 mo is guaranteed > torture.? Hard to know what caused the apparent exsanguination.? I > guess a rupture into the left chest could have been the culprit.? > Did you ever try to insert a left chest tube??
> ? Not that it would have mattered, but did you consider leaving the > chest open?? After a really horrendous case with a long pump run, > requiring tons of inotropes, I think you would have been better > served just packing the chest.? I would cover the whole mess with > an Ioban.? If the patient improved in a couple of days, then you > could try to close the chest.?
> ? Hang in there, Michael.? At times, this job can really stink.?
>?
> Hal?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Michael Firstenberg <msfirst at gmail.com>?
> To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com?
> Sent: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 6:47 pm?
> Subject: [HSF] Ahh, the Holiday Transfer. Would anyone do anything > different??
>?
>?
> The wonders of holiday in the U.S. is that we (academic medical > centers) seem to get all of transfers.??
> This was my case from yesterday and would be very interested in > comments (besides shipping to a better surgeon......).??
> ??
> 61 year/old, hypertensive, diabetic, severe abdominal obesity (BMI > 48, 300 lbs, around 5' 4')??
> presents to outside hospital with refractory chest/back pain, > radiating to legs.??
> CT Angio - aortic dissection, just about the valve to the iliacs.??
> ? head/visceral/renal/femorals off true lumen (but very small)??
> Surgery resident from outside hospital calls me for transfer (on > cardizem drip for BP control, no beta-blockers, not working, should > we heparinize...... discussion for another time!!!)??
> "oh, I forgot to mention, he had a CABGx4 in June of this year)??
> ??
> My response - esmolol and ship quickly??
> Upon arrival, still having pain, BP OK, neuro intact, faint femoral > pulses, strong radials (no A-line)??
> Reviewed still with our local Cardiology CT expert (lucky he was in > house)??
> - confirm dx??
> - all grafts patent, LIMA-LAD, SVG->PDA, SVG->Dx, SVG->Om??
> - 3 proximals coming off the ascending aorta??
> ?- LIMA lateral to sternum??
> ??
> Taken emergently to OR??
> Axillary cannulation (nice artery)??
> Wire in right femoral vein (ugly groin, lots of fat, yeastly)??
> Intra-op TEE shows bicuspid aortic valve with mild/mod AI.??
> Open the chest (they missed midline on the CABG and went through a > bunch of ribs on the right- close to the RIMA)??
> Got in OK??
> tons of mediastinal fat plastered to pericardium, plastered to > epicardial fat.??
> NO, and I mean NO identifiable planes!??
> Finally found aorta after about an hr of digging - found old > cannulation site??
> aorta looks ugly as I exposed.??
> Finally found SVG to PDA graft - completely plastered to small > right atrium??
> cannulated right vein - went on, cooled??
> could not find "the heart/apex/etc) to vent - fortunately arrested > without fibbing (LV didnt look too bad on TEE while cooling)??
> Cooled to 18C (didnt even look for the LIMA - way laterally and > everything was a mess) -> kept feeding heart with cold blood??
> Finally got around aorta - circ arrest, opened up, trimmed to hemi-> arch - contained rupture, tear at right vein graft site??
> found "something to sew to" distally in arch (30 min of circ arrest > time)??
> went back on, started warming - blood coming from grafts, left main > and right (all good, I assumed)??
> aortic valve - bicuspid ->fused, but leaflets normal -> separated > left and non-cor leaflets and appeared to co-apt ok and hold water > went closed??
> ? (mobilzing for AVR would have been very difficult - at least for > me!)??
> On/off circ arrest, low flow, etc to fix leaks, mobilize, > visualize, etc....??
> Bioglue to proximal aorta layers and dissection plane.??
> Sewed proximal??
> root vent - cardiopledgia??
> Sewed on very scarred, friable SVG buttons (got the right mobilzed > off the RA once empty and repaired/resected tear)??
> ??
> Took of x-clamp - slowly developed junction rhythm as warming more??
> came off pump eventually with lots of drugs, inhaled nitric??
> over an hour de-airing??
> TEE - still mild AI??
> ?- felt addressing would be futile??
> ?- 6 hours on pump.....30 min DHCA, 4 hr cross clamp (on and off)??
> Anesthesia up and down with tons of drugs/fluids/products/bicarb??
> big chest - wet lungs, hard to ventilate, very unstable, up/down > acidosis......(thought making urine???)??
> Very coagulopathic (would have liked to have had Aprotinin) but > used TA.....??
> Tons of products (INR>6, PTT unmeasurable, ACT after protamine>999, > platelts=18), but not bleeding too bad??
> re-enforced graft site and potential space to co-seal, flow-seal, > fibrilar, NuKnit, anything that I was allowed to leave in the chest??
> ?(although no potential space - other than right pleural space - to > bleed into)??
> Closed chest (modified weave and lots of wires through ribs)??
> meta-stable??
> ??
> went out to talk to family.......called back in....became brady > cardiac as getting ready to move to bed....pulseless.....??
> chest open - heart dead.....open CPR....intra-cardiac epi/vaso...??
> TEE showed LV empty......(rupture into left chest? abd? something > else?)??
> ??
> "the end"??
> ??
> Please comment as I know many of you have been there (either on-> line or in private)..........??
> ??
> (fyi, this is the second post-CABG dissection we got this week - > the first one was only a month out and the redo was much easier)??
> ??
> -michael??
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