AW: AW: [HSF] Discussion changed from abnormal Lima to australian perfection

Thu Oct 4 13:36:21 EDT 2007

Tea, Ben  and other philosophers:

Read "Perfection and perfectibility" by John Passmore, (Canberra 1999), an
australian philosopher. I enjoyed it. A lot of Platon, Aristoteles, religion
and so on. There are a lot of definitions.
See page 15: The early greaks would not allow even the gods to be perfect,
but Christianity took God to be so.
Aristtotle said every form of activity is directed towards an end, teleios=
perfect, telos = end.
>From the Latin perficere: from facere= to make and per= thoroughly.
Perfect = thoroughly made, completed.
Technical perfection is performing a specialized task with the maximum of
efficiency.
Roberto

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com
[mailto:openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com] Im Auftrag von Ben Bidstrup
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2007 08:37
An: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
Betreff: Re: AW: [HSF] Abnormal LIMA

So Tea , what is perfect ?

>I think that good is almost always better than 
>perfect as we frequently discuss...even in 
>women. tea ----- Original Message ---- From: 
>David Harris <drdharris at yahoo.co.uk> To: 
>OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com Sent: Tuesday, 
>October 2, 2007 3:15:52 PM Subject: Re: AW: 
>[HSF] Abnormal LIMA I have used quite a few 
>radial that have a good lumen (old patients - 
>tend to have less spasm), but patchy areas of 
>calcium. This has not put me off, as they were 
>very large radials, and sofar there have been no 
>come-backs. But I have often wondered if these 
>radials with small areas of calcium are BETTER, 
>as they can obviously never spasm! Dave --- "Dr. 
>Roberto Battellini" 
><battr at medizin.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: > We do 
>the same as you did. With Intuition and > 
>experience. Last year we > discarded a big 
>atherosclerotic LIMA in an > coarctatio aortae 
>operated > patient who came 30 years later for 
>AVR (bicuspid > valve) and bypass. I have > 
>discarded also many  radial arteries because 
>of > calcification. > Roberto > > 
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 
>openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com > 
>[mailto:openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com] 
>Im > Auftrag von > MDavalle at aol.com > Gesendet: 
>Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 17:20 > An: 
>OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com > Betreff: Re: 
>[HSF] Abnormal LIMA > > In a similar "vein", I 
>am wondering what do do when > I take down a 
>LIMA and > it > has small islands of non 
>obstructive plaque.  I have > seen this mostly 
>in > young diabetics and went ahead and used 
>them > documenting good flow at > completion > 
>with Medi-stem.  What do others think? > > > > 
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