[HSF] [OT?] Why should Health Purchasers pay for thecostcomplicati...

[Donald Ross]

Theofilo,
Your system is not socialist which pays a salary  and takes away  
incentive. It is a kind of incentive bases sweat shop system which  
would be fine if they paid a decent rate and I expect it is,   
therefore, open to under the table incentives as in Japan
Incidentally  "communist" China has a totally capitalist medical  
system where the patients get no treatment if they can't pay and  
stuff like heart surgery is very expensive.
Don

On 08/10/2007, at 7:40 AM, Theofilo Gauze wrote:

> Dear Roberto,
> Me too, because 800 bucks is for entire hospital expenses - the  
> surgeon gets
> 150 and we don't have basic salary. Any complication or long time  
> expended
> is hell on heart for us. I imagine that you have some sort of  
> salary in the
> Heart Institute, don't you?
> Anyway, anything close to that is a load of ch#@*t...
> Theofilo Gauze
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com
> [mailto:openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com] Em nome de Dr. Roberto
> Battellini
> Enviada em: domingo, 7 de outubro de 2007 12:31
> Para: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
> Assunto: AW: [HSF] RES: [OT?] Why should Health Purchasers pay for
> thecostcomplicati...
>
> Hal,
> if I got that money, 800 dollars for case, I was rich in Germany,  
> you know
> our numbers...
> Roberto
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com
> [mailto:openheart-l-bounces at lists.hsforum.com] Im Auftrag von  
> Hgrmd at aol.com
> Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Oktober 2007 12:00
> An: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
> Betreff: Re: [HSF] RES: [OT?] Why should Health Purchasers pay for the
> costcomplicati...
>
> Theofilo,
>   I believe and sympathize with the ridiculous compensation  
> figures  you
> quoted for your system in Brazil.  A couple of years ago, I was  
> invited  by
> Trinidad's minister of health to visit a public hospital in the  
> Port of
> Spain.
> Though I've trained in gritty hospitals such as Cook County and LA   
> County,
> that
> hospital in Trinidad was by far the most wretched I had ever   
> seen.  They
> wanted me to do valve surgery there for about $800 per  case.  Mind  
> you,
> this is a
> country that is awash in petro dollars.   Unfortunately, the  
> corrupt system
> benefits only a few, and the masses get  screwed.  Very sad.
>
> Hal
>
>
>
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