[HSF] slippery ideas or sloppy thinkers?

[Tea Acuff]

Ah, yes, the over sight. Who (a) should provide over sight of whom (b) for the benefit of whom (c)? Don't forget this is, by the rules set earlier, not an economic question but a medical one also? (Or visa versa).
 
tea



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Firstenberg <msfirst at gmail.com>
To: OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 8:54:21 AM
Subject: Re: [HSF] slippery ideas or sloppy thinkers?

those who dont learn from the mistakes in history are doomed to repeat them.

many of the problems that we see in the world really should not come as any
surprise - predictable outcomes to flawed thinking and practice (especially
when there is no oversight)

-michael

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:00 AM, <wftjrtyler at aol.com> wrote:

> Damn....i "got" this one!.......respectfully,bill turner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tea Acuff <tacuff at swbell.net>
> To: OpenHeart-L <OpenHeart-L at lists.hsforum.com>
> Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 8:48 pm
> Subject: [HSF] slippery ideas or sloppy thinkers?
>
>
>
> I am sure even some of our nonUSA readers are noticing the "acutely" ill
> monetary system in the USA and will be reminded by woes in their own
> country of
> the impact of USA on the world, be it perceived as empire colonization or
> globalization?effects. ? I have been reading an interesting book, The
> Forgotten
> Man, about the Great Depression. The nice thing about it is the
> documentation of
> individual players and their ideas and actions in a real world but one
> remote
> from our experience. The patterns of those ideas even if not their
> definitions
> are amazingly similar to some of the arguments that we in the USA are
> "emergently" addressing and rethinking in our provocative proposed
> intervention
> in the modern US marketplace.
>
> My point of this thread is not an economic discussion per se but a
> hypothesis of
> extreme hubris on my part as it implies (but in no way proves) that I
> understand
> "essences" of economic theory as well as that of medicine at large. What
> impresses me is that the slippery (or sloppy) idea of economic health is
> very
> similar to the parallel ideas in medicine. Further, the "solutions" and
> "needs"
> and "consequences", despite ones underlying bias are quite similar. For
> example,
> like in medicine, the monetary or credit crisis is or was leveraged in
> terms of
> access (need or greed depending on the position of the player)?and the
> solution
> is largely defined by the experts (economic or medical) as more money for
> the
> system. The threat is framed in the context of business as usual and the
> loss of
> control of that business as usual. Exactly how is "usual" good, economic?or
> medical, health in the big picture??Most importantly the bigger picture is
> almost completely
>  obscure due to the smaller adgendas inherent in each and multiple
> protagonist's
> world views and the unknown of?new or future change. As?I have said before
> it is
> common for us to look at the past and wonder why those people were such
> morons,
> while we educated moderns are left confused with uncertainty?and partial or
> ideological adge
> ndas of the "complex" problems in the present. Perhaps this is
> why Dr. Frater seems so prescient. He has seen many of the present medical
> dilemmas played out in several different contexts and time frames.
>
> tea
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